Is Obama's Camp Withholding Evidence?
Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2008
by Joel Hendon
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As John Kerry's persistent refusal to release his military records during his 2004 campaign in order to refute (or confirm) the Swift boat veterans accusations against him, it seems that Barack Obama is faced with the same type dilemma. The majority of the public are unaware of much that has been going on yet it is completely ignored by the mainstream media.
During the primaries campaigns, Some of Hillary's supporters began investigating Obama strongly and widely. During all of this, much of what is now being spoken of as "negative" campaigning from the Republicans against Obama, was uncovered. It is of deep interest, and concern, that both presidential candidates have been accused of being ineligible for the presidency due to their questionable citizenship. Upon the request for proofs of his birth record, McCain cooperated and furnished any documents requested. His case was resolved:
Judge William Alsup of Federal District Court ruled late Tuesday that the law at the time of Mr. McCain's birth automatically granted citizenship to offspring of American citizens.
Mr. McCain's parents were both citizens when he was born on Aug. 29, 1936, in the Panama Canal Zone, an American territory where his father was stationed with the Navy (New York Times September 18, 2008)
However, a Pennsylvania law firm, Philip J. Berg and Associates, after amassing a considerable amount of evidence, filed a lawsuit against Obama and the Democratic National Committee requesting they furnish proofs of Obama's birth in Hawaii, and/or that he did not relinquish his U.S. citizenship when he became a citizen of Indonesia, or that he signed a pledge of allegiance upon his re-entry into the U.S. and more. Attorney Berg is not a conservative, he is a Democrat and does not support John McCain. He is a former assistant Attorney General for the state of Pennsylvania and several more notable credentials. Here is the headlines on his website this morning, October 21, 2008.
Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obama's "Not" Qualified to be President
Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President
He filed his lawsuit on September 15, 2008, and according to Berg, the subjects of the suit had 30 days to file a response and failed to do so. This, according to him constitutes "admission" that the assertions are factual. He lists 56 assertions made against Obama and 27 such assertions against the Democratic National Committee. Following are only a few of Obamas.
1. I was born in Kenya.
2. I am a Kenya "natural born" citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.
6. My mother's maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website "Fightthesmears.com" is a forgery.
8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
10. I was not born in Hawaii.
11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.
12. I was not born at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.
13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.
14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.
15. I never took the "Oath of Allegiance" to regain my U.S. Citizenship
Without any attempt to infer that any of the assertions made by Berg are true, or false, I can say this that both Obama and the DNC have acted very foolishly to avoid resolving these issues once and for all. If they are false, then fine, but if they cannot prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that they are false, then we are headed for a constitutional crisis of enormous magnitude.
And, if you track down the facts which have brought Democrat Berg to take this action, you'll see that he has some very damning evidence. Again, I am presenting what I have read here, not that I am saying any are true. But here is one thing, amid many more, which has been claimed. Obama's grandmother, (paternal) and sisters by his father's first wife, emphatically assert that they were present when he was born in a hospital at Mombosa, Kenya. I suggest that any interested readers go to:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/38-press-release-obama-a-dnc-admit-all-allegations-in-berg-v-obama
The above page only gives the press release as of today. There are volumes of information at related pages and websites. The mainstream media has refused to publicize this for fear of the possibility of it being error. But, someone needs to finalize this thing before election day.
There is another barely heard of dilemma that is presently breaking. This concerns some interviews with Michelle Obama. The API (African Press International) has some tapes with damaging information concerning the Obama story. I encourage everyone to go to the following pages.
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/update-api-will-come-with-more-information-on-michelle-obama-tapes-at-1600-hours-norwegian-time/
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/people-have-said-that-michelle-obama-is-not-that-stupid-she-is-a-harvard-trained-lawyer-and-might-i-add-a-wife-who-has-been-kept-locked-up-unable-to-openly-state-her-opinion-because-they-know-it-would/
Barack Obama has reportedly gone to Hawaii to be with his grandmother who has been hospitalized. Some reports state that she has now been released from the hospital and they suspect that Obama has also gone to try and establish some type of proof of his early documents.
This presidential campaign has turned into the biggest mess I have ever known. I wrote an article In January of 2008 (# 294017) when I suggested that the Democrats had the opportunity to walk away with the presidency this year but have consistently chosen candidates who have little chance of winning. Democrats outnumber the Republicans. Democrats are masters of denigrating their opponents and have done so with President Bush until they had the best chance ever to take over the White House. I believe they have blown it again.
Addendum: (Oct. 22,2008) I also urge all to read the article at: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=78324
Addendum: A number of people are stating that Obama has presented his birth certificate. I would like to address the reason attorney Philip Berg contends that this is not a bonafide Birth Certificate. First, look and you will see that the certificate number is blacked out. Why? Berg says and has evidence to prove, that Obama's mother was in Kenya when he was born but flew back to the states as soon as possible and filed his birth. The possibility of the certificate number being a later number than those others who were born on his birthdate would be a dead giveaway. Also note the very limited information See Image: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
contrast that certificate with this one which was made for another baby 2 years later, both from the State of Hawaii health department: http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
Addendum (10-29-2008) The latest update on Michele Obama tape:
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/news-flash-obamas-campaign-manager-offers-3-million-dollars-to-api-in-connection-with-michelle-obama-tape-planned-to-be-aired-by-fox-news-network/#comment-54828
Judge William Alsup of Federal District Court ruled late Tuesday that the law at the time of Mr. McCain's birth automatically granted citizenship to offspring of American citizens.
Mr. McCain's parents were both citizens when he was born on Aug. 29, 1936, in the Panama Canal Zone, an American territory where his father was stationed with the Navy (New York Times September 18, 2008)
However, a Pennsylvania law firm, Philip J. Berg and Associates, after amassing a considerable amount of evidence, filed a lawsuit against Obama and the Democratic National Committee requesting they furnish proofs of Obama's birth in Hawaii, and/or that he did not relinquish his U.S. citizenship when he became a citizen of Indonesia, or that he signed a pledge of allegiance upon his re-entry into the U.S. and more. Attorney Berg is not a conservative, he is a Democrat and does not support John McCain. He is a former assistant Attorney General for the state of Pennsylvania and several more notable credentials. Here is the headlines on his website this morning, October 21, 2008.
Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obama's "Not" Qualified to be President
Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President
He filed his lawsuit on September 15, 2008, and according to Berg, the subjects of the suit had 30 days to file a response and failed to do so. This, according to him constitutes "admission" that the assertions are factual. He lists 56 assertions made against Obama and 27 such assertions against the Democratic National Committee. Following are only a few of Obamas.
1. I was born in Kenya.
2. I am a Kenya "natural born" citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.
6. My mother's maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website "Fightthesmears.com" is a forgery.
8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
10. I was not born in Hawaii.
11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.
12. I was not born at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.
13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.
14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.
15. I never took the "Oath of Allegiance" to regain my U.S. Citizenship
Without any attempt to infer that any of the assertions made by Berg are true, or false, I can say this that both Obama and the DNC have acted very foolishly to avoid resolving these issues once and for all. If they are false, then fine, but if they cannot prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that they are false, then we are headed for a constitutional crisis of enormous magnitude.
And, if you track down the facts which have brought Democrat Berg to take this action, you'll see that he has some very damning evidence. Again, I am presenting what I have read here, not that I am saying any are true. But here is one thing, amid many more, which has been claimed. Obama's grandmother, (paternal) and sisters by his father's first wife, emphatically assert that they were present when he was born in a hospital at Mombosa, Kenya. I suggest that any interested readers go to:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/38-press-release-obama-a-dnc-admit-all-allegations-in-berg-v-obama
The above page only gives the press release as of today. There are volumes of information at related pages and websites. The mainstream media has refused to publicize this for fear of the possibility of it being error. But, someone needs to finalize this thing before election day.
There is another barely heard of dilemma that is presently breaking. This concerns some interviews with Michelle Obama. The API (African Press International) has some tapes with damaging information concerning the Obama story. I encourage everyone to go to the following pages.
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/update-api-will-come-with-more-information-on-michelle-obama-tapes-at-1600-hours-norwegian-time/
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/people-have-said-that-michelle-obama-is-not-that-stupid-she-is-a-harvard-trained-lawyer-and-might-i-add-a-wife-who-has-been-kept-locked-up-unable-to-openly-state-her-opinion-because-they-know-it-would/
Barack Obama has reportedly gone to Hawaii to be with his grandmother who has been hospitalized. Some reports state that she has now been released from the hospital and they suspect that Obama has also gone to try and establish some type of proof of his early documents.
This presidential campaign has turned into the biggest mess I have ever known. I wrote an article In January of 2008 (# 294017) when I suggested that the Democrats had the opportunity to walk away with the presidency this year but have consistently chosen candidates who have little chance of winning. Democrats outnumber the Republicans. Democrats are masters of denigrating their opponents and have done so with President Bush until they had the best chance ever to take over the White House. I believe they have blown it again.
Addendum: (Oct. 22,2008) I also urge all to read the article at: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=78324
Addendum: A number of people are stating that Obama has presented his birth certificate. I would like to address the reason attorney Philip Berg contends that this is not a bonafide Birth Certificate. First, look and you will see that the certificate number is blacked out. Why? Berg says and has evidence to prove, that Obama's mother was in Kenya when he was born but flew back to the states as soon as possible and filed his birth. The possibility of the certificate number being a later number than those others who were born on his birthdate would be a dead giveaway. Also note the very limited information See Image: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
contrast that certificate with this one which was made for another baby 2 years later, both from the State of Hawaii health department: http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
Addendum (10-29-2008) The latest update on Michele Obama tape:
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/news-flash-obamas-campaign-manager-offers-3-million-dollars-to-api-in-connection-with-michelle-obama-tape-planned-to-be-aired-by-fox-news-network/#comment-54828
Addendum: The State of Hawaii department of health declares that Obama's birth certificate is on file and is legitimate. This should resolve that question Read this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_el_pr/obama_birth_certificate
It may not resolve Philip Berg's lawsuit filed in the US Supreme Court however, since he also claims that Obama's parents had to rescind that citizenship in exchange for an Indonesian one in order to enroll him in school there. Then he questions whether or not he renewed his citizenship when he returned.
It may not resolve Philip Berg's lawsuit filed in the US Supreme Court however, since he also claims that Obama's parents had to rescind that citizenship in exchange for an Indonesian one in order to enroll him in school there. Then he questions whether or not he renewed his citizenship when he returned.
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Top-level comments on this article: (9 total)Joel you have dived pell mell into a major area of possible attack but I commend you for presenting what you know and asking for clarification on such an important matter as the Presidency. However, regardless of what is or isn't a resignation now would throw the race and this nation into major turmoil and I do not see that emerging as a real possibilty. It is what it is and like it or not that question will never be resolved in this day and age.It has progressed too far. I do hope that any who respond will do so with substance and facts for all our good and not just attack you personally.Hi Robert, thanks for commenting. They need not attack me. I have not made up any of this, I am only reporting what I've found. I hope you also read the one from WorldNetDaily.Yes Joel I did. I know they need not attack you but and that but is significant, you have raised some serious questions that many in my opinion will not take as just reporting facts as presented in other media. Now what is really troubling is the fact that this information is ignored by no response, or something such as saying they will not dignify it with a response. That alone says we should be even more concerned.
hi joel,these are some pretty interesting facts you've gathered.i wonder which are true and which aren't.or if we'll ever find out.thanks for sharing this information,my best regards,sueHi Susan, thanks for commenting. I am certain we will learn whether or not they are true. Both parties, the African Press International and the law firm of Philip Berg have promised that the tape (or tapes) by Michelle Obama and the courts decision on the Barack Obama case will be forthcoming very shortly. I sincerely hope both are resolved before the election.
Joel,Remember the words of the American Indian.. "He speaks with forked tongue." I will be so glad when Nov. 5th comes around. Good article.Hi Arlene, Yes, it has gotten to where most all of politicians' rhetoric makes me sick. I also will be glad when the election is over. If not soon, I would develop ulcers, I think. After it is over, I may move to beautiiful Costa Rica. Thanks for reading and commenting.
Powerful stuff Joel, thanksRev Michael BrescianiThanks for commenting Michael. Best regards.
OK Joel, let's keep going down this path, and we'll guarantee the Divided States of America, which will mean, not only the downfall of Obama, but the demise of this country you love. Let's take a deep breath, people. Politics is not religion. It's not everything. Political debate and discourse is one thing, but this constant barrage of divisiveness is about to destroy this country. In the name of patriotism, will we destroy the very nation for which we are patriotic? What an irony indeed!I appreciate your reading and commenting on my article Mogama, but you credit me with a lot I am not guilty of. The only thing I criticized about Obama and the DNC was for their letting this thing go without resolution. That is downright looking for trouble. You obviously did not read the articles I referenced or you just don't care what he is or what he does, so long as he is elected president. And also, the division has already occurred, from the liberal left ridiculing, cursing and calling our president every bad name in the book. He was elected by the people and the people should have at least respected that.Citizens in eight states have filed lawsuits in their state courts for the same reason Berg filed his in federal court. Washington, California, New York, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Florida, Hawaii and Connecticutt.I didn't write the articles I referred to. One of the men is a liberal Democrat and the others are Africans. I guess I just shouldn't have told anyone. It will be all over the headlines before election day.
You must know how much I enjoy reading your articles, Joel, if only because they pose interesting speculative propositions.
The corollary to your question, "Is Obama's Camp Withholding Evidence" is, "Obama's Camp Has No Evidence To Withhold."
What? No evidence? Then surely they must be hiding something!
It's just another form of Swiftboating, asking a speculative question for which you know ahead of time you can't really get an answer. John F. Kerry and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright both fought in Vietnam. Their detractors question their allegiance to their country. Sounds to me like both are entitled to question this man-made institution we call the United States.
John Kerry ate bullets in Vietnam ("oh, he didn't get that hurt"). John Kerry is called a coward by people who never went to Vietnam.
Barack Obama has a birth certificate saying he was born in Hawaii. People who want to foil an Obama Presidency are asking, "Oh, but was he?"
Not sure how far any person has to go to prove they are who they say. The laws are different, but being alien didn't hurt Schwarzenegger in California.Hi Gregory, you are wrong about the evidence.If they have proper evidence to resolve this matter but just won't do it, then they should be prosecuted. If they know that the proper documents are non-existent, then they should acknowledge that. Also, you say that he has a birth certicate showing he was born in Hawaii. Have you ever seen another birth certificate with such minimal information on it? I haven't. But if that is true, read the rest of the story. According to Berg, when he moved to Indonesia and became a citizen there, he lost his American citizenship, because they will not accept a dual citizenship. Now he had the opportunity to renew his U.S. citizenship when he came back but there is no evidence that he did so.Besides, don't get on my case, I'm just telling you what the others say. And, most of certainty, it needs to be resolved. You are beginning to admit your liberalism and Obamaism. Which is your perogative, but I am a strict conservative. Obama doesn't fit that bill.Joel, you admit you're only telling me what others say. If my neighbor says the eccentric old man whose barking dog is keeping him up at night is a warlock who eats children, blood libel, does that mean it's right that I should broadcast that rumor?
If Barrack H. Obama has a birth certificate with Hawaii as his place of birth, is it really his job to prove it isn't a fraud? No.
As for suggesting that I might have Liberal tendencies, thank you. I vote according to the dictate of my conscience. I guess it's important that you make sure everyone here pin a label on me (or a cross-hairs?), oh well, what are ya gonna do?
As for John Kerry (and your reasons for conflating the two issues seem a little suspicious), who wore an American Army uniform, went to Vietnam, and took a bullet there, fighting for our side, if rumor mongering were the right thing to do, then we could just as well find little nuances in the McCain story to Swift Boat him.Gregory, I'm sorry we are disagreeing so harshly. Your defense of Kerry's wounds won't hold up. He and others threw grenades into a pile of rice which belonged to the Viet Cong and a peice of the shrapnel caught him in the backside. The other two wounds were mere scratches, which souldn't have been consdered for apurple heart. I could care less what type of label anyone pins on anyone. You just surprised me when you came on so hard, you had always written with kindness and tolerance. I'm sorry if I offended you with that.As for me, I don't like Obama even a little bit. I deplore the fact that no one can make that statement without being called racist. But you will know tomorrow or Tuesday, just who is racist.
Uh-oh, Joel, you will surely get "scolded" with this one but we need to be informed -- whether these are true or not, my gut does not trust Obama at all and that's the problem -- My fear is is that if they find this out once he got into office, would Nancy Pelossi become our president -- May god help us! As usual, a great piece, Mr. Joel!Hi Judi, thanks for your comment. No one knows exactly what would happen if he were declared unqualified berfore the election, I don't think. But if after the election, I suppose Joe Biden would become president and good ol' Nancy would still just be the "most prowerful woman in the world". Unless of course, something happened to Biden. I suspect, in either case, the Supreme court would have to make a ruling. Thanks again for your kind comment.
Great article, Joel. The campaign goes on and to the last minute there will be more and more to confuse the voting public. If Obama should become President and then later is exposed as a non-citizen, I'm sure he would be empeached????Time will tell. I'm still worrying about what I read in Revelations and praying a lot!Thanks for sharing.SandraHi Sarah, thanks for writing. Yes, and it appears the congress is going to be lopsided heavy with democrats. With all that has happened with respect to trying to stop Christians from speaking out, I really shutter to think what two more activist judges on the Supreme Court, plus Harry Reid and Nancy heading a filibuster proof majority in congress will do. But hang tight until tomorrow or the next day, I think the proverbial fit is going to hit the epileptic Shan.
Joel,Just checking the updated information on Snopes dot com which is the foremost authority on internet rumors. There won't be anything hitting any fans. The suit was dismissed as "too vague and too attenuated" and well as "frivolous and not worthy of discussion" more of the judges remarks can be seen at snopes dot com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp. Snopes also has information about the supposed "inconsistencies" on the birth certificate.I do know that when I was born in rural Pennsylvania in the 60's, my birth certificate did not have an official state seal and had other oddities about it. That was due to the fact that birth certificates did not become standardized until the 70's and beyond.I am not saying these things as an Obama supporter. Just one who is concerned at how quickly Christians have latched onto rumors in this election season and spread them to others "just in case". It feels very much like the witch hunts in Salem. We must be careful to keep out personal likes and dislikes out of these discussions. We do not please the Lord by spreading rumor and fear just so our candidate will win.Thanks Jean, for reading and commenting. I'd like to defend myself a little, I never once said any of this was fact, I only passed on what was already on the internet.Also, I knew the judge dismissed it but according to Berg, he has appealed it to the Supreme Court. He may be a nut for all I know. But, the very fact that the DNC and Obama simply refuse to acknowledge anything is going on is a problem. They could resolve it.Thanks again for your comment.
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